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<p>[QUOTE="Capitalist Producers, post: 1434, member: 412"]This may be my swan song. I am posting it here as well as the RMB because I feel it stands a 75% chance of being deleted.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.nationstates.net/nation=oranginia" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.nationstates.net/nation=oranginia" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/oranginia__980525t2.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />The SDR of Oranginia</a> wrote:<a href="http://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=capitalist_paradise?postid=6951156#p6951156" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=capitalist_paradise?postid=6951156#p6951156" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://www.nationstates.net/images/externallink.gif" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a>Shadow Afforess is some kind of cheater, i guess.</p><p>Everything <a href="http://www.nationstates.net/nation=northern_borland" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.nationstates.net/nation=northern_borland" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/northern_borland.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />The Allied Corporate Empire of Northern Borland</a> said. I might add that no one, not even the game developers themselves, did more for Nation States then Afforess did with NS++.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.nationstates.net/nation=northern_borland" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.nationstates.net/nation=northern_borland" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/northern_borland.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />The Allied Corporate Empire of Northern Borland</a> wrote:<a href="http://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=capitalist_paradise?postid=6953149#p6953149" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=capitalist_paradise?postid=6953149#p6953149" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://www.nationstates.net/images/externallink.gif" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a>That aside, </p><p>I want to encourage all nations within Capitalist Paradise to tread lightly when it come to the NS Moderators, and on the Public Forum.</p><p>This is their game, their rules.</p><p><br /></p><p>I agree. Nation States is their game, their bandwidth and their rules. We have no "right" to be here. In fact on the FAQ page they are very clear about where they stand on free speech:</p><p><br /></p><p><i>"Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state."</i>[1]</p><p><br /></p><p>I can understand that to a point. Discussions of child porn, threats on public officials, trafficking in drugs, etc. cannot be tolerated under any circumstances. Unfortunately, that standard also applies to applies to political opinions and facts that run contrary top the moderators.</p><p><br /></p><p>With these things in mind I am on the fence about the future. Just this week after responding to an RMB post directly addressed to me[2] one of the moderators suppressed the post and gave me no more explanation then a telegram containing only three words, "Warned for trolling."</p><p><br /></p><p>I have to be honest, I have no clue how the word "trolling" applies in this case. Whatever I posted on the RMB was so tame, at least in my own mind, that I don't even remember for sure what I wrote. I'm certain it was the reason for this nation's membership in the WA along with some of my none too secret thoughts on the issues coming out of it.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, this and Afforess' deletion brings several realities to the fore front.</p><p>- This is a game. There is nothing even remotely vital to my quality of life that requires me to participate in this game. </p><p>- I am a customer of Nation States. By allowing their advertising, becoming a Postmaster-General member and purchasing stamps, and possibly even by purchasing Max's books, my contribution, however small, adds to the NS cash flow and keeps the site up and running. If the moderators feel my $12 contribution plus ad views is no longer worth having me here, then they are free to delete me.</p><p>- The rules here are selectively enforced. While some are allowed to be abusive without penalty, others are slapped down hard for next to nothing. For one example, simply look at the responses to Afforess' proposal to liberate Haven.[3] </p><p>- There is no real means of appeal. What ever faceless moderator jumps on you may do so and that decision is final. If one questions the decision or points out inconsistency in enforcement the response in my case was to "stop lawyering" or face deletion. It is for that reason I have made no attempt to ask why my last suppressed post was considered trolling.</p><p><br /></p><p>That brings me to believe that my time here is almost through. I was ready to go out in a ball of flame yesterday, but Afforess talked me out of it.</p><p><br /></p><p>This used to be fun. However, with the events over the last couple days, it crosses my mind there are better things to do with my time. If I thought I could do something to help, perhaps improve the warning, gagging, deleting process maybe it would be worth it. But it is clear suggestions in that realm are not welcome. (I have to wonder if Max himself thinks this way.)</p><p><br /></p><p>So, with all due respect to <a href="http://www.nationstates.net/nation=northern_borland" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.nationstates.net/nation=northern_borland" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/northern_borland.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />The Allied Corporate Empire of Northern Borland</a>'s sage advice (and I mean that sincerely, it is good advice.) I am going to continue to be my cantankerous grouchy old self. If I get deleted, the loss is to Nation States and the region I support.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_united_oman" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_united_oman" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/the_united_oman__488532t2.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />The Freedom States of The United Oman</a> wrote:<a href="http://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=capitalist_paradise?postid=6954485#p6954485" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=capitalist_paradise?postid=6954485#p6954485" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://www.nationstates.net/images/externallink.gif" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a>Sad, well I hope he is back soon.</p><p>I sincerely doubt it.</p><p><br /></p><p>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>[1] <a href="http://www.nationstates.net/page=faq#etiquette" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.nationstates.net/page=faq#etiquette" rel="nofollow">page=faq#etiquette</a></p><p>[2]</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.nationstates.net/nation=newport" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.nationstates.net/nation=newport" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/newport__530146t2.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />The Most Serene Republic of Newport</a> wrote:<a href="http://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=capitalist_paradise?postid=6928280#p6928280" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=capitalist_paradise?postid=6928280#p6928280" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://www.nationstates.net/images/externallink.gif" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a>Might I ask why you find it necessary to partake in the World Assembly if you don't want them intervening in your national sovereignty? If you don't want someone to play with your stuff, then don't let them in.</p><p>[3] <img src="http://www.nationstates.net/images/forumlink.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /><a href="http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=303584" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=303584" rel="nofollow">viewtopic.php?f=24&t=303584</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Capitalist Producers, post: 1434, member: 412"]This may be my swan song. I am posting it here as well as the RMB because I feel it stands a 75% chance of being deleted. [URL='http://www.nationstates.net/nation=oranginia'][IMG]http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/oranginia__980525t2.png[/IMG]The SDR of Oranginia[/URL] wrote:[URL='http://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=capitalist_paradise?postid=6951156#p6951156'][IMG]http://www.nationstates.net/images/externallink.gif[/IMG][/URL]Shadow Afforess is some kind of cheater, i guess. Everything [URL='http://www.nationstates.net/nation=northern_borland'][IMG]http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/northern_borland.jpg[/IMG]The Allied Corporate Empire of Northern Borland[/URL] said. I might add that no one, not even the game developers themselves, did more for Nation States then Afforess did with NS++. [URL='http://www.nationstates.net/nation=northern_borland'][IMG]http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/northern_borland.jpg[/IMG]The Allied Corporate Empire of Northern Borland[/URL] wrote:[URL='http://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=capitalist_paradise?postid=6953149#p6953149'][IMG]http://www.nationstates.net/images/externallink.gif[/IMG][/URL]That aside, I want to encourage all nations within Capitalist Paradise to tread lightly when it come to the NS Moderators, and on the Public Forum. This is their game, their rules. I agree. Nation States is their game, their bandwidth and their rules. We have no "right" to be here. In fact on the FAQ page they are very clear about where they stand on free speech: [I]"Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state."[/I][1] I can understand that to a point. Discussions of child porn, threats on public officials, trafficking in drugs, etc. cannot be tolerated under any circumstances. Unfortunately, that standard also applies to applies to political opinions and facts that run contrary top the moderators. With these things in mind I am on the fence about the future. Just this week after responding to an RMB post directly addressed to me[2] one of the moderators suppressed the post and gave me no more explanation then a telegram containing only three words, "Warned for trolling." I have to be honest, I have no clue how the word "trolling" applies in this case. Whatever I posted on the RMB was so tame, at least in my own mind, that I don't even remember for sure what I wrote. I'm certain it was the reason for this nation's membership in the WA along with some of my none too secret thoughts on the issues coming out of it. However, this and Afforess' deletion brings several realities to the fore front. - This is a game. There is nothing even remotely vital to my quality of life that requires me to participate in this game. - I am a customer of Nation States. By allowing their advertising, becoming a Postmaster-General member and purchasing stamps, and possibly even by purchasing Max's books, my contribution, however small, adds to the NS cash flow and keeps the site up and running. If the moderators feel my $12 contribution plus ad views is no longer worth having me here, then they are free to delete me. - The rules here are selectively enforced. While some are allowed to be abusive without penalty, others are slapped down hard for next to nothing. For one example, simply look at the responses to Afforess' proposal to liberate Haven.[3] - There is no real means of appeal. What ever faceless moderator jumps on you may do so and that decision is final. If one questions the decision or points out inconsistency in enforcement the response in my case was to "stop lawyering" or face deletion. It is for that reason I have made no attempt to ask why my last suppressed post was considered trolling. That brings me to believe that my time here is almost through. I was ready to go out in a ball of flame yesterday, but Afforess talked me out of it. This used to be fun. However, with the events over the last couple days, it crosses my mind there are better things to do with my time. If I thought I could do something to help, perhaps improve the warning, gagging, deleting process maybe it would be worth it. But it is clear suggestions in that realm are not welcome. (I have to wonder if Max himself thinks this way.) So, with all due respect to [URL='http://www.nationstates.net/nation=northern_borland'][IMG]http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/northern_borland.jpg[/IMG]The Allied Corporate Empire of Northern Borland[/URL]'s sage advice (and I mean that sincerely, it is good advice.) I am going to continue to be my cantankerous grouchy old self. If I get deleted, the loss is to Nation States and the region I support. [URL='http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_united_oman'][IMG]http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/the_united_oman__488532t2.jpg[/IMG]The Freedom States of The United Oman[/URL] wrote:[URL='http://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=capitalist_paradise?postid=6954485#p6954485'][IMG]http://www.nationstates.net/images/externallink.gif[/IMG][/URL]Sad, well I hope he is back soon. I sincerely doubt it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] [URL='http://www.nationstates.net/page=faq#etiquette']page=faq#etiquette[/URL] [2] [URL='http://www.nationstates.net/nation=newport'][IMG]http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/newport__530146t2.jpg[/IMG]The Most Serene Republic of Newport[/URL] wrote:[URL='http://www.nationstates.net/page=display_region_rmb/region=capitalist_paradise?postid=6928280#p6928280'][IMG]http://www.nationstates.net/images/externallink.gif[/IMG][/URL]Might I ask why you find it necessary to partake in the World Assembly if you don't want them intervening in your national sovereignty? If you don't want someone to play with your stuff, then don't let them in. [3] [IMG]http://www.nationstates.net/images/forumlink.png[/IMG][URL='http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=303584']viewtopic.php?f=24&t=303584[/URL][/QUOTE]
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